Gordon @ Charles were the two novice fishers that came up with a group of seven guys lead by Dean Butler I took them to the bait schools off Norman creek on the second day of there trip the morning sea conditions were perfect. As we came closer to were the bait had been you could see the water was bulging with the bait being pushed to the surface by all types off predators. By 1pm we left to avoid the westerly the guys arms felt like they were twice as long as in the morning and the esky was full of mackerals bodies.